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tyciol
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Hm... well then he's... half-innocent? I don't know how that stuff works.
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I didn't bring up OJ's book to determine his guilt or innocence. Its just the fact the book was supposed to be about how he'd have killed the ex and her new man if he had done it. That was the ethical question as far as OJ goes. For some odd reason, some people think that because Once Fallen is written by a registered sex offender that it is going to be either a pedophilia how to or a memoir when it is neither. And it seems like no matter how many times I explain this some people just don't get it, thus getting results similar to the posts which got removed the other day. So that begs the million dollar question-- How would I present the book as a work exploring the practical effects of sex offender laws WITHOUT people THINKING it to be some kind of pedo how-to or memoir?
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| fallenone wrote: | | And it seems like no matter how many times I explain this some people just don't get it, thus getting results similar to the posts which got removed the other day. So that begs the million dollar question-- How would I present the book as a work exploring the practical effects of sex offender laws WITHOUT people THINKING it to be some kind of pedo how-to or memoir? |
Many people have a difficult time with facts contrary to their beliefs. Since the facts contradict their thinking, they're faced with a choice between changing their opinion or with lashing out in irrational anger.
Some people are capable of changing their thinking, some aren't. Many of the latter find PJ to be a perfect haven. |
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fallenone
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Well when it comes to the belief people can change I believe in that. I try to be understanding of others but when I'm attacked personally the gloves are off.
But I say this-- the only person who can change me is myself-- not God, not man, not woman, not anyone-- only me.
I'm not here to change beliefs. Either you hate me or you don't and if you hate me I doubt I can do anything to change that. Thus I find it pointless to spend my life condemning others for sport. In fact, my concern is since so many people blindly hate sex offenders and it is so acceptable in most places to conden them, it gives them little incentive for change.
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Dodger
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Tiocol's off-topic post and any responses have been deleted.
Tiocol - Some advice - If you wish to participate in discussing the subject of the conversation, feel free. On the other hand, if your intent is to simply point out grammatical errors, spelling mistakes or your perceived misappropriated or misused expressions, save yourself some time by not bothering.
From here on out, due to your propensity for nitpicking other people's statements, I will be concentrating on YOUR posts, and removing all that are not, in MY opinion, on-topic along with other's responses to said posts.
I find it irritating that so many people are attempting to engage in rational, important discussions and commentary while you continuously post-bomb the forums with your niggling criticisms.
Stay on topic, or your posts will be deleted.
My apologies - Please resume this very interesting discussion.
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Chrysalis
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| Dodger wrote: | Tiocol's off-topic post and any responses have been deleted.
Tiocol - Some advice - If you wish to participate in discussing the subject of the conversation, feel free. On the other hand, if your intent is to simply point out grammatical errors, spelling mistakes or your perceived misappropriated or misused expressions, save yourself some time by not bothering.
From here on out, due to your propensity for nitpicking other people's statements, I will be concentrating on YOUR posts, and removing all that are not, in MY opinion, on-topic along with other's responses to said posts.
I find it irritating that so many people are attempting to engage in rational, important discussions and commentary while you continuously post-bomb the forums with your niggling criticisms.
Stay on topic, or your posts will be deleted.
My apologies - Please resume this very interesting discussion.
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Wolfpup
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I find all of this conversation very interesting. Mind you five pages long can get a bit tiresome to read at times. however. I see the point that you guys are making. Wikisposure, PJFI,CSO, HTDWCP and their other sites are just well wrong. Coming from the standpoint of someone who has been targeted by them and remains in their High Profile section for furter investigation I can honestly say that what the do is wrong. I have recieved countless threats, emails, phone calls you name it I have recieved it. Why? because I speak out against what they do. But to get back on topic. They destroy others lives. Their bullshit has ruined several peoples lives. I have almost been kicked out of my house thanks to them. When will it stop? When will society say enough is enough and finally do away with these people who think they are above the law? Thats the question that I ask everyday when I wake up and have thirty emails calling me a pedophille and other things I will not mention here.
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ZMan
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| Wolfpup wrote: | I find all of this conversation very interesting. Mind you five pages long can get a bit tiresome to read at times. however. I see the point that you guys are making. Wikisposure, PJFI,CSO, HTDWCP and their other sites are just well wrong. Coming from the standpoint of someone who has been targeted by them and remains in their High Profile section for furter investigation I can honestly say that what the do is wrong. I have recieved countless threats, emails, phone calls you name it I have recieved it. Why? because I speak out against what they do. But to get back on topic. They destroy others lives. Their bullshit has ruined several peoples lives. I have almost been kicked out of my house thanks to them. When will it stop? When will society say enough is enough and finally do away with these people who think they are above the law? Thats the question that I ask everyday when I wake up and have thirty emails calling me a pedophille and other things I will not mention here.
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Make sure you save it all for evidence in case you decide to go to court and defamation/slander charges. I am also a target of their BS just for speaking out and running a blog, here:
http://sexoffenderissues.blogspot.com/ |
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fallenone
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Since I was here, and happened to read this, I thought I'd post up an email I sent to certain individuals planning to be involved with a WASP Ohio rally, because I found it germane to this conversation:
Dear Sir,
It was brought to my attention you are have received an email the first annual "Sexual Assault Advocate Summit" on Saturday, Feb. 17th at Zanesville, OH, or you may be planning to attend. I implore you to reconsider any invcolvement with this event because it is sponsored by WASP Ohio. WASP Ohio has been on a campaign of cyber-vigilantism targeting individuals who speak out against sex offender laws. Whether you agree with sex offender laws is not the issue here; rather, the tactics used by WASP Ohio should not be condoned, but condemned.
I am one of the individuals targeted by this group because I advocate reforms to sex offender laws. Here is MY official website, www.oncefallen.com. While I am an RSO, it must be made clear not only have I never re-offended in 5 years, I work to find feasible solutions in dealing with preventing sex crimes because I admit I made a mistake, but now that I'm free, I'm trying to rectify my past mistakes by working with organizations that seek the same results.
Recently, a number of sex offender law reform organizations sponsored a small but powerful rally in Columbus, Ohio on December 2nd, 2007. I was present for the rally, and made data disks filled with pertinent information and research regarding the effectiveness of sex offender laws. After the rally, I spoke with Tracy Golden and the two other members of WASP that day, which they wasted on attacking me rather than the issues. Ever since that day, much of that time has been spent on attacking me as an individual. Below is from their original site:
http://waspohio.org/pb/wp_03291a41/wp_03291a41.html?0.26630041488297046
Golden also posted this about me at absolute zero united, another cyber-vigilante site:
http://absolutezerounited.blogspot.com/search/label/Tom%20Madison
They even decided to make up their own blogspot about me, which is just a rehash of the info they posted up at AZ:
http://derek-logue.blogspot.com/
Here she followed me to Topix.net just to try to get my attention:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fort-lauderdale-fl/TKFPFJLFU4UI2S2ON/p16
Yet another place they attacked me:
http://www.robheri.com/2008/01/every-decent-human-being-is-this-world.html
And in the Salt Lake Tribune (read where Stitches 77 even claims Patty Wetterling of the Jacob Wetterling Foundation has a sex offender for a son)
http://166.70.44.77/comments/read_comments.asp?ref=8000744&PageIndex=1
WASO Ohio is affiliated with www.absolutezerounited.blogspot.com/ a cyber-vigilante organization affiliated with www.pjfi.org, which run organizations as corporate sex offenders, which claim that allowing sex offenders to use their product amounts to "promoting pedophilia," and the "wikisposure project," in which they post personal information they have targeted as "pedos" or pedophile enablers.
Among the so-called pedo enablers is Patty Wetterling, because she spoke for reforming sex offender laws (http://www.sacbee.com/110/story/377462.html) and Sarah Tofte of the Human Rights Watch because of her article "No Easy Answers: Sex Offender Laws in the US" (http://hrw.org/reports/2007/us0907/). Hardly pedophile supporters or pedos.
Please visit www.corrupted-justice.com, an organization comprised of former perverted justice members and affiliates, now seeking to spread the truth about the tactics of pee-j and affiliates. The current article shows absolutezerounited is being sued in Arizona for harassing, threatening, and intimidating outrspoken advocate Jan Kruska [Kruska v. perverted-justice.com, CV 080054, US Dist. Ct AZ, 2008)], listing not only absolutezerounited, but Stitches 77 as well. Corrupted justice and Jan Kruska described the tactics of these organizations, which I have added in my report http://www.oncefallen.com/TheTrollPatrol.html
Ask yourself if you would be affiliated with an organization that targets former offenders trying to rebuild their lives and successfully reintegrating into society after completing their sentences. This is not about an issue of sex offender laws, but of VIGILANTISM-- stalking, harassing, intimidating, ostracizing, and humiliating former offenders en masse, which has been shown to cause the stress that leads to a higher risk of recidivism:
http://ccoso.org/Vilification.pdf
http://www.nacdl.org/sl_docs.nsf/issues/SexOffender_attachments/$FILE/Lev_Hern.pdf
http://www.nacdl.org/sl_docs.nsf/issues/sexoffender_attachments/$FILE/Levenson-Megans%20Law%20Impact%20JCCJ.pdf
In closing, I sincerely hope you find this compelling enough to remove your support of this summit only on the basis of the organization responsible for this summit, WASP Ohio. If anything, they should be investigated for illicit activities including cyberstalking. Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
Derek "The Fallen One" Logue
513-238-2873
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ZMan
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fallenone
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Why post it up on MySpace? I hate that tacky site and obviously it was intended for me NEVER to read it. Evading what they can't take on head-on. I've noticed they're REALLY proficient at playing the victim role.
HEY Y'all!! Feel sorry for the poor poor cyber-stalker! 
Feel sorry for her because she can't cyber-stalk in peace.
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KarenCunning
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Oh my goodness.
I'll have to send Linda a thank you card for directing me to Black Widow, you all certainly know a LOT more about Wikisposure than I've seen anywhere else!
I have to admit that a lot of the conversation in this thread didn't make a lot of sense to me.
I am VERY interested to know if Dodger ever got a response from John about the guy that killed himself after being on Wikisposure???
Karen 
PS - I have a LOT of reading to do!
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Wolfpup
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| ZMan wrote: | | Wolfpup wrote: | I find all of this conversation very interesting. Mind you five pages long can get a bit tiresome to read at times. however. I see the point that you guys are making. Wikisposure, PJFI,CSO, HTDWCP and their other sites are just well wrong. Coming from the standpoint of someone who has been targeted by them and remains in their High Profile section for furter investigation I can honestly say that what the do is wrong. I have recieved countless threats, emails, phone calls you name it I have recieved it. Why? because I speak out against what they do. But to get back on topic. They destroy others lives. Their bullshit has ruined several peoples lives. I have almost been kicked out of my house thanks to them. When will it stop? When will society say enough is enough and finally do away with these people who think they are above the law? Thats the question that I ask everyday when I wake up and have thirty emails calling me a pedophille and other things I will not mention here.
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Make sure you save it all for evidence in case you decide to go to court and defamation/slander charges. I am also a target of their BS just for speaking out and running a blog, here:
http://sexoffenderissues.blogspot.com/ |
Well guys awhile back ago in February I said that I was in their high profile section. Well tonight I was caught. They havent set up a profile on me yet and I waiting on them to so I can proceed with legal action. Xavier is as clumsy as he is stupid. He was gloating in the conversation with me and I was just taking it all in. Xavier if you can read this yeah I am a BL yeah I am an RSO but you cant do anything worse to me than has already been done. I was a teenager when I was charged with a sex crimie. Did I deserve to be imprisoned and have to register for the rest of my life. No I didnt but it happened and thats what counts. Yes I take responsibility for what i did. I have proven PJ wrong however. I have not followed their definition of an RSO. I havent reoffended and I havent done anything to get myself put back in prison.
You may ask yourself why am I telling you all of this. Because the simple fact is that while yes I am involved in a community that is at times off color to say in the least I am not guilty of what they say I am guilty of.
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karaokedavid82
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| DogHappy wrote: | I am having a difficult time following the thread. Seems like there was a lot of stuff thrown at me that I don't understand.
I read that CJ was founded by a man named Scott and another guy named Matthew something that was a former member of NAMBLA. I did not know that he joined NAMBLA to gain information, I did not read that. Is it true? I thought that this Matthew person had been convicted of something against a child because the the child later on committed suicide over it? I think that is what I read but please correct me if I am wrong.
The person at the bottom of the thread here - that SOSA or SOSEN person, did you say that you were wrongly convicted? I think his name was David. How come you are on the registry if you were not guilty? Also, if Perveted Justice slandered you on their website, how can they get away with it if indeed, you were slandered??
Sorry to sound so dumb!
Doghappy - (Big Dog Lover here)
| CJ Black Widow wrote: | To renforce what PJB has stated, there are plenty of PJ members who have joined GirlChat, Boychat, etc... to gain info.
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Well, they claim that I claim that I was wrongly convicted I'm sure, I don't. . .my adjudication was withheld--which means legally I am not convicted, however in Florida you still have to register even in that situation. When I was 20 years old I met someone who I thought was of age at a coffee house. I was young, and I assumed that the person I met was of age. That is part of why my adjudication was with-held, I thought the person I was with was of age and that wasn't the case. I have no other criminal history before or since, and I have owned up to what happened.
I don't claim that nothing happened, but what I do claim is that the sex offender laws are over inclusive. I did not take advantage of a child, and I know that I wasn't' careful enough. When the mom found out that it had happened, she freaked out--thus my listing. I don't deny that I was stupid, and make a bad decision in not learning more about people I had sexual relations with. . .I was also 20 and a Freshman in college, not some old man who went around looking for kids to have sex with and my victim was just shy of 16, which in case you were wondering--would have kept me off the registry all together. PJ of course posted this story with their own twist on it. They claim I paint the victim as a liar, no I don't say that--I didn't know the age of the victim--that is a far cry from saying the victim lied about their age.
As far as getting away with it. . .I'm registered on the website, as a result I struggle with meaningful employment and I have little capital to live my regular life. I am building a case against them, but until I have the right attorney that is also in my price range--they are going to harass me and continue to quote me out of context, I am not pro-pedo or pro-child sex. . .I am genuinely attracted to people 5 to 10 years older than me, rarely even to someone my own age. . .but at 20 I made a terrible judgement call and assumed someone was in my age group because of where they hung out. That means I was stupid, I was a slut, I was a lot of things, but I was NOT a monster, and I was NOT a pedophile.
I am not against internet stings for the record. If they are performed by trained professionals, which PJ is not. I am also not against FBI tactics of similar nature. What I am against is highly publicizing information the way they do which has damaged many cases for law enforcement against REAL pedophiles, because they aren't about stopping pedophiles they are about catching them and getting a kick out of building a website with their pictures. It's a game to them. They target people, as I know you've seen, who aren't even among their busts too. I have never been online to meet with chidlren or teenagers. They list people who are part of organizations they disagree with, and try to black list them as much as possible.
I am no longer part of SOSEN, and I am NOT the founder of either of the current existing SOSENs (it broke into two groups at some point after I left) I want no part in the activist community any longer because I have serious health issues that can be made far worse by being in those high stress situations. I actually am only part of this site (may seem selfish sorry) because of my listing on their page, If I wasn't on their page I'd just keep to myself which is what I'd like to do. I get no peace being listed on their site, it's not like the registry--who's intent is to warn of potential dangers. The registry includes the fact that my adjudication was with-held. The registry includes the fact that "the danger level of any individual offender has not been determined". Some people are willing to look at my court transcripts and see that I am not some child stalking sicko when they see me on the registry. Wikisposure however slants everything they can to paint me (and their other targets) as active child molesters or enablers, neither of which is me at all. I mean, how is one to become an active member of society when society is constantly harassing them and assuming they know who one is based purely on editorialized comments and hatred that is truly unfounded.
Sorry I can get a bit passionate when I feel that someone misunderstands me, especially since being listed on that site,
David
PS: Remeber it's EX-Sosen, I am not part of either of the two current SOSEN's, not even as a founder. |
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ZMan
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: WTF |
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| Wolfpup wrote: | | ZMan wrote: | | Wolfpup wrote: | I find all of this conversation very interesting. Mind you five pages long can get a bit tiresome to read at times. however. I see the point that you guys are making. Wikisposure, PJFI,CSO, HTDWCP and their other sites are just well wrong. Coming from the standpoint of someone who has been targeted by them and remains in their High Profile section for furter investigation I can honestly say that what the do is wrong. I have recieved countless threats, emails, phone calls you name it I have recieved it. Why? because I speak out against what they do. But to get back on topic. They destroy others lives. Their bullshit has ruined several peoples lives. I have almost been kicked out of my house thanks to them. When will it stop? When will society say enough is enough and finally do away with these people who think they are above the law? Thats the question that I ask everyday when I wake up and have thirty emails calling me a pedophille and other things I will not mention here.
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Make sure you save it all for evidence in case you decide to go to court and defamation/slander charges. I am also a target of their BS just for speaking out and running a blog, here:
http://sexoffenderissues.blogspot.com/ |
Well guys awhile back ago in February I said that I was in their high profile section. Well tonight I was caught. They havent set up a profile on me yet and I waiting on them to so I can proceed with legal action. Xavier is as clumsy as he is stupid. He was gloating in the conversation with me and I was just taking it all in. Xavier if you can read this yeah I am a BL yeah I am an RSO but you cant do anything worse to me than has already been done. I was a teenager when I was charged with a sex crimie. Did I deserve to be imprisoned and have to register for the rest of my life. No I didnt but it happened and thats what counts. Yes I take responsibility for what i did. I have proven PJ wrong however. I have not followed their definition of an RSO. I havent reoffended and I havent done anything to get myself put back in prison.
You may ask yourself why am I telling you all of this. Because the simple fact is that while yes I am involved in a community that is at times off color to say in the least I am not guilty of what they say I am guilty of.
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Well, I've not read much of what you have said, but that is not something you want to go around broadcasting. Sounds like you are proud of it...
I am a RSO as well, but what you are saying just creeps me out... Having desires for young kids is wrong, period... No way you can justify it, IMO.
With you going around broadcasting it, yeah, they are going to zero in on you like a hawk, and if they put me on their wiki for just owning a blog, I am sure you will be there soon as well. |
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