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fallenone
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your English isn't the problem, its your belief on what the book is about. I keep saying my book has virtually nothing to do with all the details of my case, and never speak directly about it. How can I explain this in a way you can understand.

ONCE FALLEN IS NOT ABOUT HOW ONE BECOMES A SEX OFFENDER! IT IS ABOUT THE EFFECT OF SEX OFFENDER LAWS!

Is that clear enough for you? And yes, I actually have a great deal of interest in my book. I'm merely having to revise portions of it to satisfy the requirements of a literary agency who is willing to accept my work. And America tends to have a rather unhealthy fascination with sex offender issues. Controversy sells. I don't care about the money and all but hell I still have to pay bills like everyone else, I just happen to owe 20 grand in student loans. Plus, running a non-profit takes money too. I've already had this project reviewed to meet ethical standards. However, I can't help that a lot of people are ultimately going to thing the same things you are about the book, thus I expect it to be controversial.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barbie Babe wrote:
I also agree, but to a point. He should have never been arrested and cahrged as he was in the first place, if his version of the incident is the truth. (And I believe it is.) In Zman's case, the authorities have made a mountain out of a molehill, and PJ is continuing to take one misintepretied incident and screaming rape.
Whether he should have been charged/arrested/convicted is pretty much irrelevant, I'm talking moreso about adding sentencing that didn't exist at the time the crime was alleged to have been committed. I don't think anyone can make commentary on the case not knowing the details, just the testimonial. I do think laws against nudity in general are pretty stupid though. Laws against nude touching or nude proximity maybe, to reduce disease spread, but not seeing people nude.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fallenone wrote:
yada yada yada

So you aren't in it for the money but it is an issue as you have mentioned students debts etc. You and Von Erck are alike using sex crime to make a personal profit. You committed them, he pretends to prevent them. A den of thief's.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stephanp3 wrote:
So you aren't in it for the money but it is an issue as you have mentioned students debts etc. You and Von Erck are alike using sex crime to make a personal profit. You committed them, he pretends to prevent them. A den of thief's.

Thieves eh? Anyway, making a buck isn't anything to be ashamed of. Anyway, he's not profiting off the sex crime, he'd profit from taking the time to write a book about it and give an insight. I guess ideally you'd want it to be free, but you have to be realistic, books take time a lot of people take (selfishly!!! omg) to work a job and there are also publishing fees and stuff.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Making money by profiting from child sex / sex crime is immoral in my "book".
Nuff said.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stephanp3 wrote:
Making money by profiting from child sex / sex crime is immoral in my "book".
Nuff said.


Where do you draw the line?

Does a newspaper with an article about a child-sex molester being caught impinge on your sense of morality? They're making money from the reporting of such activities.

Or how about the psychologist who takes on a case of a person affected by being molested as a child? Is he being immoral by taking a fee for his services?

Or how about the author of a book writing about the draconian RSO laws and how they affect both society and the families of RSOs? Another gray line?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know exactly what I meant.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stephanp3 wrote:
You know exactly what I meant.


Actually I'm not quite certain what you mean. It appears that you're against the concept of him writing a book about a subject that is being discussed in many legislative groups currently and is generating much controversy. Or is it that you're against the idea of him writing it given his conviction?

The fact that he was convicted and is an RSO does not invalidate what he has to say about the topic of RSO treatment in general. Nor does it invalidate his right to write a book (on any subject) or to sell said book.

So since I'm confused about what you're attempting to say, please amplify your thoughts and/or modify your statement. You said that anyone who profits as a result of child-molestation is acting immoral. I gave you three examples (one of which fits him), all of which are of people profiting from child-molestation crimes. According to your statement, you must feel that all three are acting immorally. If one or more of them are not (in your opinion), either your statement was inaccurate or something needs to be clarified.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SonOfAGun wrote:
stephanp3 wrote:
You know exactly what I meant.


Actually I'm not quite certain what you mean. It appears that you're against the concept of him writing a book about a subject that is being discussed in many legislative groups currently and is generating much controversy. Or is it that you're against the idea of him writing it given his conviction?

The fact that he was convicted and is an RSO does not invalidate what he has to say about the topic of RSO treatment in general. Nor does it invalidate his right to write a book (on any subject) or to sell said book.

So since I'm confused about what you're attempting to say, please amplify your thoughts and/or modify your statement. You said that anyone who profits as a result of child-molestation is acting immoral. I gave you three examples (one of which fits him), all of which are of people profiting from child-molestation crimes. According to your statement, you must feel that all three are acting immorally. If one or more of them are not (in your opinion), either your statement was inaccurate or something needs to be clarified.


AMEN! I wasn't going to say anything, but just because he's a SO doesn't mean he can't write a book to educate people, if that is possible in todays day and age.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephanp:

I must say, your comments have me scratching my head as well...

Would you suggest that if an author wrote about murders for a living, he would be immoral in accepting money for his work? (That would certainly put a lot of authors out in the cold...)

What about all the prison authors - There are hundreds, if not thousands of authors who've written books WHILE in prison - Books about their crimes, books about prison life, books about legal issues surrounding their crimes, etc. They make money form their work too - Are you suggesting that is somehow wrong?

To suggest that someone is "profiting from their crime" by writing a book about it after the fact is ludicrous. Unless they committed the crime with the intention of getting rich by writing a book about it afterward, or they write a book that attempts to glorify or justify their crimes, your contention is groundless.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If OJ can write a book about "If I did it" what is the problem with me writing about sex offender laws? I'm not writing some memoir about child molestation, so the question of ethics is answered. this isn't some dumb schmuck you are talking to. I've taken every step to ensure I wrote within the boundaries of ethics. For example, I decided not to say exactly what I did in the book because I believed there is no possible way to explain the situation without a bunch of clods thinking I'm minimizing, justifying, or condoning my behaviors. Seriously, I could write the book without even using my story at all. I merely use my case to illustrate the message. Have you ever experienced being told where to live, being labeled as the scourge of society, etc.? I have lived it. If I wanted to know about an event, say, the Holocaust, wouldn't you find it of value to read the story of someone who experienced it? That is what I'm trying to do. I'd do it for free-- hell, in all honesty, most of the stuff in my book is online either at my website or in the forums I participate in. However, my purpose should have been clear as to what Once Fallen is all about. That is why I'm having to edit the entire book, because some people got the impression that it was a child molester's memoir rather than a research project, despite safeguards such as appointing an advisory committee to read it cover-to-cover.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread has been "purged" of the ignorant and vicious accusations by Stephanp3, as well as the responses to those accusations.

Stepanp3 will be spending some time in the CJ time-out corner.

Personal attacks and unfounded accusations are not allowed here.

Please continue with the intended direction of the thread.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodger wrote:
This thread has been "purged" of the ignorant and vicious accusations by Stephanp3, as well as the responses to those accusations.

Stepanp3 will be spending some time in the CJ time-out corner.

Personal attacks and unfounded accusations are not allowed here.

Please continue with the intended direction of the thread.

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Thank you Dodger.It was getting a little scary in here for a mo'.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fallenone wrote:
If OJ can write a book about "If I did it" what is the problem with me writing about sex offender laws?
It seems like a different situation. Firstly, OJ wasn't convicted for it (even though most come to the conclusion he's guilty, it's the impression I tend to get, moreso than Michael Jackson) and you were. Secondly, he does it in kind of a mean way like he's glorifying it in the sense of how clever he was, whereas from what summaries I've read of your plans that doesn't seem to be the case (but I don't know).
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OJ was found to be guilty in a civil court case but was acquitted in the criminal case.
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