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Chrysalis
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CJ Black Widow wrote:
Let me clarify...I know zman said he was guilty but he has every right to do what it takes to stop the harassment of those who have paid their debt.



I know and I agree with your opinion because after all the very essence of CJ.com is the right to speak out for your rights.I have seen a post or two on the web from Zman and at times they seem like he's goading them on to me.

I'll say no more on the subject as I have tried to stay out of Zman's business up until now.

Carry on folks and I am going to go bake cookies.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:24 am    Post subject: Making Peace? Reply with quote

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ZMan if you just want to be left in peace then why blog about it at all?I understand being angry and having to vent but when your all over the internet it just seems like your egging people on to harass you.


Perhaps, because, as someone far more eloquent than me has pointed out, in regard to that key word, "peace," this:

"'Of course, let us have peace,' we cry, 'but at the same time let us have normalcy, let us lose nothing, let our lives stand intact, let us know neither prison nor ill repute nor disruption of ties...' There is no peace because there are no peacemakers. There are no makers of peace because the making of peace is at least as costly as the making of war -- at least as exigent, at least as disruptive, at least as liable to bring disgrace and prison and death in its wake." - Dan Berrigan

(Although, I suspect Berrigan was talking about another kind of war and another kind of peace, they are all similar, these things, and this quote never fails to give me chills in regard to this particular thing)

[For the record, this reply is not about you, Chrysalis, but about Zman, and peace, so please don't read it that way.]

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chrysalis wrote:
CJ Black Widow wrote:
Let me clarify...I know zman said he was guilty but he has every right to do what it takes to stop the harassment of those who have paid their debt.



I know and I agree with your opinion because after all the very essence of CJ.com is the right to speak out for your rights.I have seen a post or two on the web from Zman and at times they seem like he's goading them on to me.

I'll say no more on the subject as I have tried to stay out of Zman's business up until now.

Carry on folks and I am going to go bake cookies.


Can you give me some examples?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zman makes a point in that adding additional sentencing after the fact is wrong. That's the same as murder being a life sentence, and then while you're in jail they change it to the death penalty and kill you. When they make a registry, it should only apply to people commiting crimes after the point of its induction, not prior.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tyciol wrote:
Zman makes a point in that adding additional sentencing after the fact is wrong. That's the same as murder being a life sentence, and then while you're in jail they change it to the death penalty and kill you. When they make a registry, it should only apply to people commiting crimes after the point of its induction, not prior.


WOW! Right on, NO spin! I'm proud of you Tyciol!

I also agree, but to a point. He should have never been arrested and cahrged as he was in the first place, if his version of the incident is the truth. (And I believe it is.) In Zman's case, the authorities have made a mountain out of a molehill, and PJ is continuing to take one misintepretied incident and screaming rape.

Sad. Like PJ's decoys who get men arrested, there was no "victim", at least not how I think of as a child being a victim.

Hang in there Zman. I pray justice will be served soon.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tyciol wrote:
Zman makes a point in that adding additional sentencing after the fact is wrong. That's the same as murder being a life sentence, and then while you're in jail they change it to the death penalty and kill you. When they make a registry, it should only apply to people commiting crimes after the point of its induction, not prior.


And the registry should have only true predators and pedophiles on it. Not every sex offender there is.

Only the truly dangerous folks. Otherwise, it's fear-mongering and not much use, IMO.

Why don't they have a registry for ALL criminals? DUI offenders kill more children than ALL sex offenders combined, not to include drug dealers.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZMan wrote:
Why don't they have a registry for ALL criminals? DUI offenders kill more children than ALL sex offenders combined, not to include drug dealers.


I think it has something to do with the potential risk and empathy.

When it comes to those nasty pedo-criminals, the potential risk to the voter is small so they vote for hanging them by their gonads. But when it comes to getting popped for drunk driving and the voter drinks, then the potential risk is greater.

The closer to home the penalties hit, the less likely the individual is to vote for draconian penalties. If a stranger is hit by them, then the penalties seem weak. If a friend is hit by them, then the penalties seem harsh. If a close relative is hit by them, then the penalties seem horrible. If the penalties hit the person him/herself, then the penalties seem cruel and unusual. The weaker the empathy, the harsher the penalties should be in the mind of the voter.

In the case of the average PJ type person (unthinking with little empathy), the opinion is that a child-sex criminal should be thrown into prison, raped by Bubba, then killed. But when it comes to penalties regarding something they do (such as drugs, booze, driving, etc), then the penalties should be weaker.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a bit curious as to how much "goading" it takes for us lowly RSOs to get enough attention to get placed on this site. I was released in 2003, have been on the local news fighting the residency restrictions, was later interviewed for the local paper and they even did a video of me, have been posting at various sites since 2004 under the same screen name, signed the reform sex offender laws petition, have my own website and book on the wayand even met the troll patrol in person at the Ohio Silent No More Rally last month and took some extreme close-ups (poor poor camcoder hasn't been the same since). Don't get me wrong, I count my blessing that I'm not a major target or anything, just a passing members mention about SOSEN that's it. So at what point do they up the intensity? Personally when the troll patrol comes knocking I usually speak about them in the third person and continue to post my facts. Aside from their own shrine to me and a few spams I haven't taken much flack.

Thus, how much goading do you have to do to be a real threat in their eyes?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thus, how much goading do you have to do to be a real threat in their eyes?


I assume you're referring to perverted-justice?

In their case, it's not a matter of "how much". They seem to randomly pick & choose who to go after on their various sites. (Particularly their "wikisposure" site) If they see anything anywhere that appears to show you espousing pedophilia, they'll make a special place for you.

Lately I guess they've been "expanding their horizons" to include those arguing for RSO rights - A number of their targets have been listed on their site as a result of the target signing on-line petitions advocating changes to RSO laws.

It's one of the problems with groups of Internet thugs like PJ - They can arbitrarily make up the rules as to what they find acceptable and what they do not on the fly.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still waiting for CJ to be on their list.
Didn't I fill in the forms correctly?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I should be thanking them for the free publicity. I have gotten over 500 hits on my website since I opened it up back on Dec. 5th.

It isn't even people arguing for RSO rights either, just reforming the laws to exclude petty offenders or provide post-release housing to reduce recidivism. Basically if you are not advocating chopping off penises, inserting them in their mouths, sewing them shut, sodomizing them, killing them, then burning their bodies, you are either a pedophile or a pedophile supporter.

Yes I was referring to Pee-J but from the pjfi site and the info you have here on the forums tell me all the groups are intercopnnected. Kinda like how all the people in the town I used to live in were related. Apparently sick minds think as alike as great minds.

RSO issue aside, it is a question as to whether the troll patrol is perverted in their own right. Isn't taking pleasure in torturing living things a sign of psychopathy?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PJ Buster wrote:
I'm still waiting for CJ to be on their list.
Didn't I fill in the forms correctly?
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Uh.I that the big brown envelope you asked me to mail?

*Jumps up and runs screaming for the Canada Post truck stopped at the corner without stopping to put on her mukluks*


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fallenone wrote:
Actually I should be thanking them for the free publicity. I have gotten over 500 hits on my website since I opened it up back on Dec. 5th.

That is most probably the sheep from perverted-justice going there to rubber neck and tell each other "I told you he was a pervert"....
Do you seriously think people are going to buy a book trying to microanalyse why one is a sex offender?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh you got the wrong idea. The whole purpose of the book is not about how I became an RSO but what my experiences were as an RSO. If all I did was write about my miserable life before my crime, then no matter what I write, people will assume the book is about justifying my actions. If you read my site objectively (judging by your reaction, I doubt it) you would have seen the point I'm trying to make there. If the laws work, where's the proof? Why is it everything I read and experienced say otherwise? Also if you read my book outline, my book begins the day I was arrested, not all the useless stuff I did beforehand. Does it matter if I was a college grad or abandoned in a hotel room or molested as a child? Once you commit a sex crime, everything you did before avails to nothing. The only time I allude to possible reasons I may have had fort doing what I did is relegated to the point in my book where I discuss treatment.

Essentially the focus on my book is on the experiences as an RSO and what I've learned about the law. If you were expecting some kind of dissection into the mind of a pedophile look elsewhere. Once Fallen isn't To Catch a Predator. There's no cool whip or someone re-enacting the chat logs in a disturbingly sensual fashion.

Once Fallen is about the law, not me, though I do use my life for the past 7 years to illustrate a point. Honestly, how many people actually realize the practical effects of the law? Let me put it to you this way:

Derek Logue: “With this law, I can’t sleep 1,000 feet across from a school, but if I wanted to- and I don’t want to- I could
stand across from a school all day long. How does that help anybody?” (Dan Klepal, “City debates strict limits on where sex
offenders live”, Cincinnati Enquirer, Dec. 6th, 2006)

You can start by explaining the logic of residency restrictions, the worst of all the laws in my opinion. See the above statement? Explain how where I live impacts my alleged propensity to re-offend. Do you get it yet?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you seriously think people are going to buy a book trying to microanalyse why one is a sex offender?

Is my English that hard to comprehend?
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